13:55:50 From Joseph Little to Rijon Erickson(Direct Message):
	Glad to see you!!
13:57:15 From Rijon Erickson to Joseph Little(Direct Message):
	great to be here!
14:02:55 From Oliver Timm | Berlin to Everyone:
	can we drop off the joining sound?
14:03:30 From Aaron Sanders to Everyone:
	that would be great if the host would turn that off
14:04:09 From MAB to Everyone:
	hahaha @ "shame on you"
14:05:34 From Aaron Sanders to Joseph Little(Direct Message):
	Hi Joe! is it possible to turn of the chime what participants enter please? And mute everybody?
14:05:40 From MAB to Joseph Little(Direct Message):
	can you plz turn the sound off
14:05:57 From Aaron Sanders to Joseph Little(Direct Message):
	ty :)
14:06:33 From JF Unson (he/him, Silicon Valley) to Everyone:
	LOL! :) I love Jim’s questions. :)
14:08:39 From Sebastian Żebrowski to Everyone:
	sorry, I was late, will the session will be recorded? :)
14:09:03 From Aaron Sanders to Everyone:
	if you hit the record button, yes!
14:11:02 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	I feel like I'm being yelled at by a grumpy professor. I wasn't aware haranguing was on the agenda.
14:11:28 From Aaron Sanders to Everyone:
	Steve, meet Cope
14:11:29 From MAB to Everyone:
	it's probably your first webinar with James
14:11:33 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	A pattern?
14:11:42 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	Probably my last.
14:11:44 From Aaron Sanders to Everyone:
	🤣
14:12:43 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Oh this is just classic James, he is extremely friendly :)
14:14:24 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	@Steve, just get used to I and take the gems he is throwing at us, this is classic James, he does not mean it bad
14:14:44 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	Yeah. I can filter.
14:15:25 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Is there an advanced certification?)
14:16:04 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	recertification perhaps :D
14:16:17 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	What about those who are not certified at all
14:16:39 From Greg Corrin to Everyone:
	woo hoo, SAFe!
14:17:01 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	We gotta be fair and say that SAFe is not about SCRUM at all (eeeh… maybe a tiny 15% quickly on the fly)
14:17:10 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	And I am a SPC 5… guilty
14:17:25 From Sebastian Żebrowski to Everyone:
	can the host turn off the sound of people joing? :)
14:17:31 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Sorry, take back the 15%…. 3%
14:17:33 From MAB to Everyone:
	SAFe is a workaround
14:17:38 From Sebastian Żebrowski to Everyone:
	it's messes up my conceration
14:18:12 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	SAFe has so much to do with Scrum as Java to JavaScript
14:18:24 From MAB to Everyone:
	+1
14:19:00 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Gabi
14:19:11 From MAB to Everyone:
	SAFe is as Agile as wolf in sheep's clothing
14:19:16 From Sebastian Żebrowski to Joseph Little(Direct Message):
	can the host please turn off the sound of people joing? :)
14:20:06 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Not a world, a big fat Shrek that looks like a princess to the nasty king
14:20:15 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Not a wolf*
14:20:46 From MAB to Everyone:
	you just called big, clunky orgs nasty kings
14:21:09 From Murali SparkFX to Everyone:
	SAFe  is the new PMI .. we are working on un-SAFing nowadays with more orgs than we can :)
14:21:43 From MAB to Everyone:
	we should come up with a name 'SAFe Vaccination'
14:21:44 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Yep… they got the money and you wanna work for them
14:21:54 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Unless your name is Elon Musk and you become your own king
14:22:02 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	I have seen Scrum police officers once or twice :D "Why don't you say what you did last 24 hours, it's there in the Scrum Guide" :D
14:22:29 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Nice visual on the patterns on the new https://www.scrumplop.org page
14:23:32 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Takeuchi and Nonaka: The New New Product Development Game. HBR
14:27:12 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Why GoF's aren't patterns? Because of being not abstract enough? They have context, but maybe they're too specific...
14:29:48 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	wat
14:30:33 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Cf. A Timeless way of building by Christopher Alexander.
14:30:39 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	I can't imagine Jeff as buddhist monk :D
14:31:11 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	That's much older than software industry
14:31:11 From Falk Kühnel to Everyone:
	XP?
14:31:20 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	naaah
14:31:33 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	I guess it has always existed
14:31:53 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Probably how the Sumerians taught each other how to build stuff
14:31:58 From Vamsi B to Everyone:
	Cavemen were hunting in pairs and groups.
14:32:27 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Police work is using this pattern VERY OFTEN! It's due to humane complexity, kinda magnituded harder than code
14:34:24 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	The mammoth hunt retrospective
14:34:59 From Ken Pugh Attendee Durham NC to Everyone:
	just in time production was developed when there was a lack in resources after WW II
14:37:27 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	… and Scrum Guide!
14:40:18 From Ian Vellosa to Everyone:
	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12981021/are-there-any-patterns-in-gof/24664544#24664544
14:43:18 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Scaffolding around your org (solution to a staff need) and product (solution to a customer need)
14:44:15 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	@thoralf That's great.
14:44:34 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	I cited Jeff ;)
14:44:38 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Deceptively? how long is it? 10 pages? :D
14:46:56 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Like that: no prize for the most patterns
14:46:59 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	How do you "Satisfy" Conway's law first? I think of it as a statement, not a criteria that can be fulfilled.
14:48:18 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	So, we mean here, just recognize Conway's law? Make it a known concept to all involved? Ah.... Say we're going to intentionally structure.
14:49:12 From Murali SparkFX to Everyone:
	Conway's law is an adage stating that organizations design systems which mirror their own communication structure
14:49:38 From Murali SparkFX to Everyone:
	Many times agile needs us to dismantle these Conway’s law thinking to break silos..
14:51:33 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	I guess the points making the law visible and ensuring awareness around it. So that while working on the other patterns you do that being aware of its manifestation and its impact
14:53:47 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Ahhh testing, people go angry :D
14:54:28 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Let me start with Spotify org model...
14:54:29 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	:D
14:55:51 From Murali SparkFX to Everyone:
	With Conway’s its like a anti pattern.. New technologies don’t need many of the communication silos built in orgs over ages. For example with cloud migrations to AWS etc.. Infrastructure team looses 70% of its purpose to exist. New Architecture starts with disrupting Conways Law
14:57:32 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	but where's accountability, one may ask. Jira does not support swarming well :-(
14:57:47 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Who is responsible
14:57:49 From Murali SparkFX to Everyone:
	Holocracy has some ideas from swarming in its circles metaphor ..
14:57:56 From Falk Kühnel to Everyone:
	We are now doing Kanban, that’s just like Scrum only without the meetings. :D
14:58:03 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	INDIVIDUAL accountability (is what they say)
14:59:36 From Murali SparkFX to Everyone:
	Responsibility and Freedom.. You cannot have freedom without the former.  Accountability needs to built in not applied with rules and regulations or roles and titles later.. We terminated a highly skilled person for just that this week.
15:05:18 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	OK…but what’s so bad about the User Story format?
15:06:07 From Christian Johansen to Everyone:
	Nothing bad about user stories. But belongs somewhere else than the product backlog
15:10:57 From Lucretta Mitchell to Everyone:
	when you abort a sprint is there a right or wrong on timeline to start the new sprint
15:11:37 From Falk Kühnel to Everyone:
	Needs to be the same weekday, because otherwise no meeting rooms are available — muahahaah
15:12:20 From Falk Kühnel to Everyone:
	PO is a C-Level position in my opinion, isn’t it?
15:12:51 From Falk Kühnel to Everyone:
	Maybe i do not understand what C-Level means
15:14:14 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	C-Level are chief people and chief execs, usually the first 3 levels from the board level downwards for an average org, CEO, COO, CFO, CMS, etc. and their VPs may  also be considered C-level
15:14:19 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Easy Question:  We learn about patterns…. How do we take these and work with our Team?  (You have said some things…go further….)
15:14:48 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Team plus people around Team…
15:14:49 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	The PO is def nőtt a C-level… in fact he light years away from being that unless you are a flat org with a total of 2/3 hierarchical levels
15:14:58 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	And a very limited number of employees
15:15:57 From Falk Kühnel to Everyone:
	My assumption comes from the perspective, that C-Level is actually allowed to make decisions and most POs are do not have the power are legitimization for actually owning the Product
15:16:16 From Dominic Robinson to Everyone:
	We read the book as a team and found that patterns spoke to people.  They recognised the pain points, and could see the solutions in the pattern.
15:16:22 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Also: Get going with the GROSS patterns, but use the pattern language to incremental refine the gross patterns….
15:16:36 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	To feel the right intention behind each pattern....
15:16:52 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	C-Levels job is entirely making decisions…. But al levels light years above the heads of any product or even entire portfolio or market responsible
15:17:20 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	How do interpret and comment the accountability of the product owner in the new edition of the Scrum Guide
15:17:32 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	“6The Product Owner is also accountable for effective Product Backlog management, which includes:●Developing and explicitly communicating the Product Goal;●Creating and clearly communicating Product Backlog items;●Ordering Product Backlog items; and,●Ensuring that the Product Backlog is transparent, visible and understood.”
15:19:51 From Christian Johansen to Everyone:
	Its my perception that many teams work on to many different goals at once. And often some team members doesn't know what the other team members are doing.  Have you experienced teams going from this to work one one sprint goal simultaneously? How did this come about ?
15:20:09 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	To me…I feel a lot of understanding these scrum patterns is to unlearn what we thought we knew…..  is that just me?
15:20:49 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Interesting book: Inviting Leadership, Daniel Mezick + Mark Sheffield
15:20:50 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Is anyone concerned if I share this CHAT text with all related emails for this talk?
15:21:13 From Tom Schaefer to Everyone:
	Go right ahead.  I was going to save it as well.
15:21:24 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Do it Joe
15:21:41 From Phil Bowker to Everyone:
	thank you Joe!
15:22:10 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Emergent Leadership…
15:22:39 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	BA 1.8 - Esther Derby: Leaders at All Levels https://www.meetup.com/de-DE/Business-Agility-Meetup-Berlin/events/277147781/
15:22:57 From Knut Fjellheim to Everyone:
	I feel scrum for me has been a good "tool" for making problems/issues visible, even if people seem to blame emerging issues on scrum itself. One such issue for our team is that the product backlog is greatly polluted by technical issues and debt, which is (of course) a symptom of an issue. But how do other constructively manage pending technical issues?
15:23:02 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Of a network
15:23:31 From Falk Kühnel to Everyone:
	Do you know how the Term ScrumMaster came into existence?
15:24:01 From Bala to Everyone:
	Hi James, What is your thought on Fluid Scaling Technology (FAST Agile)?
15:24:05 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	If your’re allergic to levels of a network, maybe hubs or nodes sounds better?
15:24:24 From Falk Kühnel to Everyone:
	Did they say “We use something so ridiculous, that no-one will use it as a title?”
15:24:26 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	HUB
15:24:42 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Team of teams
15:25:02 From Bala to Everyone:
	Hi James, What is your thought on Fluid Scaling Technology (FAST Agile)?
15:26:37 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	… and CoP and direct communication is still there :)
15:27:15 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Small world what? :-)
15:27:23 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Small world assumption?
15:27:48 From Maru Waan ElK. to Everyone:
	Thx!
15:28:11 From Bala to Everyone:
	Hi James, What is your thought on Fluid Scaling Technology (FAST Agile)?
15:28:40 From Christian Johansen to Everyone:
	Its my perception that many teams work on to many different goals at once. And often some team members doesn't know what the other team members are doing.  Have you experienced teams going from this to work one one sprint goal simultaneously? How did this come about ?
15:28:40 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Pop Culture: 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon
15:29:00 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	My opinion on FAST - unstable.
15:29:35 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	YES
15:29:46 From Michael Thomassen to Everyone:
	So what's the 'good news' in your work & assessment of Scrum in 2021, James?
15:30:21 From Ian Vellosa to Everyone:
	I attended a 1 day version about 6 months ago, it was great but I’d love to attend an in person class when that becomes available again.
15:30:47 From Ken Pugh Attendee Durham NC to Everyone:
	Thanks James,    Good seeing you again after so many years.    Ken Pugh
15:31:17 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	Challenge: We do a workshop next time. Diverge and merge ;)
15:31:42 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	lol
15:31:45 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Creating a sense of urgency
15:32:06 From JF Unson (he/him, Silicon Valley) to Everyone:
	More than Ken Schwaber’s boot camp? ;)
15:32:11 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	lool
15:32:11 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Shock Therapy…article by Jeff Sutherland…
15:32:18 From Ken Pugh Attendee Durham NC to Everyone:
	James,   Do you still have the same opinions on BDD (external tests) versus TDD (internal tests)?
15:32:27 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	SCRUM Shock therapy
15:34:01 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Like learning a language. Falk, some give up Scrum and switch to Kanban, early
15:34:09 From Javier Valdes to Everyone:
	Problem is to get to practice most of what was said here. I do agree with everything presented, but most organizations are not lenient to these ideas. There is a lot of struggle with this kind of thinking. I have been fired or “gradually invited to consider work offers elsewhere” too many times already....
15:34:17 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	That's why it's named pattern language :)
15:35:11 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	The Why of each pattern…so important…
15:35:33 From Eleni to Everyone:
	<3 This is not about how to suck a little less!
15:35:49 From Oliver Timm | Berlin to Everyone:
	+1
15:36:07 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	Turns out it was just attention.
15:36:51 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	So…is it a revolution or a longer kaizen march?
15:37:23 From Javier Valdes to Everyone:
	James: email to ask for social network analysis tool? Anthropology pubs?
15:37:42 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	Perhaps say something about Scrum as training wheels…
15:37:50 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	@Javier… life is tough for purists and idealists… even doing SCRUM in a remotely acceptable fashion is tough to a case for many fights  and arguments
15:38:29 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	Scrum Master Therapist :)
15:38:40 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	If you want others to change, change yourself first
15:39:00 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	:D
15:39:01 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	... LD
15:39:10 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	the R
15:39:10 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	lol
15:39:31 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Change yourself to what exactly…. You have go in there everyday and perform
15:39:36 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	Depends on context
15:39:44 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	I have to be cruel only to be kind….
15:39:49 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	Good scrum is a lot like riding a horse. If it's comfortable you're not doing it right.
15:39:56 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	CD principle: if it hurts, do it more often and bring it forward
15:40:15 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Opps.  “You have to be cruel only to be kind”
15:41:04 From Phil Bowker to Everyone:
	I agree 100% with this, Falk
15:41:21 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Be at the center of value - Sandeep Joshi
15:45:34 From Phil Bowker to Everyone:
	Continual improvement, not continuous
15:46:17 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	James, why did you say it was originally called a “standup"?
15:46:28 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	So that people stayed engaged?
15:46:48 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	As a team? Like a scrum in rugby?
15:47:01 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	I got that one in my basket
15:47:10 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	What if you already see an impact from one KAIZEN in a sprint? With leading indicators during the sprint
15:47:30 From Christian Johansen to Everyone:
	Standup Comedy
15:47:31 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Aaaaahhhh....
15:47:38 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	hilarious
15:47:52 From JF Unson (he/him, Silicon Valley) to Everyone:
	OMG! I was a summer intern at Borland when they did this. Now I get the connection after all these years. LOL! :)
15:47:53 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	97 things every scrum master should know
15:48:19 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	3rd time is enemy action.
15:48:38 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	97 things every scrum PRACTITIONER should know
15:48:48 From Ken Pugh Attendee Durham NC to Everyone:
	James,  What if the kaizen item is something that management needs to do, but management doesn't do it?
15:49:12 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	:D
15:49:39 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Ooooh I remember last year there was a loooooog exchange about “there is no need for management” and lots discussion…
15:50:36 From Oliver Timm | Berlin to Everyone:
	Thanks a lot James! Really enjoyed hearing your thoughts again. Last time was long ago -> in 2014 @ Bosch in Stuttgart ;)
15:51:01 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Big levers for changing a corporate policy?
15:52:04 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Sometimes months, after talking to McK, BCG and who knows who else… slow decision making because a LOT is at stake
15:52:28 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	How does the org learn so that decisions are better…. AND that we can see the impact and revise “decisions”?
15:52:50 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	https://www.graphicproducts.com/articles/kaikaku/
15:53:14 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Enterprise SCRUM - Mike Beedle
15:53:21 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	For Joseph
15:53:49 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Enterprise Meta SCRUMs in SCRUM@Scale
15:54:55 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Tnx Maru. ‘Kaizen Blitz – rapid change of a targeted aspect of a system or process.’
15:55:20 From Steve Hallman to Everyone:
	I have told people that thought they were Product Owner, "That makes you hotel staff. I want to promote you to customer. You need a concierge, let's find one."
15:57:14 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	We agree on that Joseph
15:57:15 From Miloš Milosavljević to Everyone:
	I like to compare the interplay of kaizen and kaikaku with the growth of the flesh of a crab within the crust to the point when they need to shed the old crust from which a new, more accommodating one emerges. There’s a great video.
15:57:19 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Joe Justice talks about Group Scrum, what is that?
15:57:22 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	cyclic revolutionizing?
15:58:58 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	yes.  And I thought of the term: “minimum viable revolution”….which implies many “releases” over time
15:59:29 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	Similarly: We learn what works and what does not….over iterative major changes…
15:59:36 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	https://www.jstor.org/stable/40659886
15:59:44 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	In case you have a subscription for the journals
15:59:50 From Joseph Little to Everyone:
	It’s a NETWORK
15:59:51 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	You can email the authors to get the paer
15:59:54 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	paper*
15:59:55 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Aren't they driven now by just system architecture?
16:00:23 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	A reorganising network I assume?
16:00:26 From Christian Johansen to Everyone:
	But what about products that involves man teams ? Here teams will be some what dependent
16:00:33 From Christian Johansen to Everyone:
	many
16:00:34 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	ahhh f, right...
16:00:51 From H. Eric Kempkes to Joseph Little(Direct Message):
	good call today
16:00:58 From jimmorris.dk to Everyone:
	Thanks for another kick in the ass, Cope. Hope to see you soon :-)
16:01:04 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	A distributed network topology for independently operating units/teams that define interfaces and coordination protocols
16:01:15 From jimmorris.dk to Everyone:
	Good night all.
16:01:15 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Look into MAS: Multi-Agent Systems
16:02:07 From Thoralf J Klatt to Everyone:
	Thanks Joe and Jim. Thanks for all the awesome questions. Family needs me. Enjoyed. Please connect on Linkedin
16:02:48 From JF Unson (he/him, Silicon Valley) to Everyone:
	Thanks for this wonderful talk, @Cope. Thanks for the MeetUp, Jim. :) Need to drop off now.
16:03:23 From Christian Johansen to Everyone:
	Thx for now. Good luck with your teams all of you. And Thx Cope for sharing.
16:04:19 From Ivaylo Stanev to Everyone:
	Thank you!
16:04:36 From Dawid Pura to Everyone:
	Thanks Jim, see you on Twitter :D
16:04:39 From Hernán Schmidt to Everyone:
	Thank you!
16:04:41 From Meera Satyakumar to Everyone:
	Thank you!
16:04:42 From Leise Passer to Everyone:
	Thx Cope and organizers
16:04:42 From Phil Bowker to Everyone:
	thanks very much, very thought provoking!
16:04:42 From Javier Valdes to Everyone:
	Thank you
16:04:48 From Marcelo Garcia - ITtude to Everyone:
	Thank you very much!
16:04:55 From Marcelo Garcia - ITtude to Everyone:
	yes
16:05:15 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Elkharbili.marwane@gmail.com
16:05:25 From Martin Seehaus to Everyone:
	Thanks a lot, brilliant thoughts!
16:05:36 From Maru W. to Everyone:
	Bye!!!